(29/04/2014, 16:42)llNoNickll Escreveu: Algum dos leitores da LN (@Raffael ou @martec) pode dizer como foi? Considerando apenas o mangá... eu sinceramente me abstenho pois senão o hate seria pesado (cortaram tanta coisa relevante para construção de personagens que é melhor nem citar).
pessoalmente não teve problema algum com ep...
foi 4 eps para primeiro vol...
as infos importantes foram mantidas...
alías até acho que poderia até ter sido três eps para primeiro vol...
já que os volumes posteriores pessoalmente é mais interessante...
e sinceramente nem sei pq vcs acharam corridos... adaptação de LNs ter 4 eps para um vol chega a ser até privilegio...
(30/04/2014, 11:31)martec Escreveu: pessoalmente não teve problema algum com ep...
foi 4 eps para primeiro vol...
as infos importantes foram mantidas...
alías até acho que poderia até ter sido três eps para primeiro vol...
já que os volumes posteriores pessoalmente é mais interessante...
e sinceramente nem sei pq vcs acharam corridos... adaptação de LNs ter 4 eps para um vol chega a ser até privilegio...
Eu achei o ritmo normal, e realmente, 4 episódios para um volume chega a ser um privilégio mesmo.
(30/04/2014, 11:31)martec Escreveu: pessoalmente não teve problema algum com ep...
foi 4 eps para primeiro vol...
as infos importantes foram mantidas...
alías até acho que poderia até ter sido três eps para primeiro vol...
já que os volumes posteriores pessoalmente é mais interessante...
e sinceramente nem sei pq vcs acharam corridos... adaptação de LNs ter 4 eps para um vol chega a ser até privilegio...
Você se prende demais a números quando vai falar de adaptação e sabemos que isso não é ciência exata
Mas enfim, se na LN é assim... meu voto vai para o mangá mesmo onde a construção de algumas coisas considerei bem melhor (e não me refiro as infos principais, pois nunca reclamei disso, mas sim dos personagens e o decorrer de certos eventos). A luta é bem anticlimática (apanha -> faz discurso -> toma "bomba" -> vence o bad guy)
Spoiler: Até a apresentação das habilidades do Rentarou não tem climax
Pena que a arte deixa bastante a desejar (especialmente se tu pega as ilustrações da LN, mas ai é querer demais )
E acho que agora entendi porque dizem que o Shougen é mais FDP na LN do que no mangá, afinal não ter um pouco do ponto de vista (o que no mangá é um cap. inteiro) dele o deixa bem FDP, especialmente considerando que ele teve apenas uma declaração sobre a Kayo (algo que é abordado mais adiante e ilustra bem que ele está longe de ser esse babaca mercenário)
Por sinal, não faltou coisa naquele epílogo não?
(30/04/2014, 07:16)xKaiaK Escreveu: Se lançado a uma velocidade próxima da velocidade da luz, o projétil não precisa ser necessariamente grande/pesado...
só que tanto a energia necessária para isso, quanto a liberada no choque é suficiente para matar o inseto e meia cidade
(30/04/2014, 12:44)llNoNickll Escreveu: Você se prende demais a números quando vai falar de adaptação e sabemos que isso não é ciência exata
Mas enfim, se na LN é assim... meu voto vai para o mangá mesmo onde a construção de algumas coisas considerei bem melhor (e não me refiro as infos principais, pois nunca reclamei disso, mas sim dos personagens e o decorrer de certos eventos). A luta é bem anticlimática (apanha -> faz discurso -> toma "bomba" -> vence o bad guy)
Spoiler: Até a apresentação das habilidades do Rentarou não tem climax
Pena que a arte deixa bastante a desejar (especialmente se tu pega as ilustrações da LN, mas ai é querer demais )
E acho que agora entendi porque dizem que o Shougen é mais FDP na LN do que no mangá, afinal não ter um pouco do ponto de vista (o que no mangá é um cap. inteiro) dele o deixa bem FDP, especialmente considerando que ele teve apenas uma declaração sobre a Kayo (algo que é abordado mais adiante e ilustra bem que ele está longe de ser esse babaca mercenário)
Por sinal, não faltou coisa naquele epílogo não?
A few days after the stage 5 gastrea incident Rentaro’s is dressed in a suit (which he’s unused to) and is in a luxuries building.
After defeating the level 5 gastrea in order to celebrate his success he’s to attend a ceremony. Kisara threw him a suit yesterday and told him to wipe his grumpy looking face off.
After getting in the building and on the way to the hall where the ceremony is going to take place he’s intercepted by Kisara (whose dressed in a……… dress) in front of the main entrance.
She complains about how slow he is and also told him not embarrass her.
Rentaro moans to her that she didn’t mention that this ceremony is this important causing Kisara to retort that she told him yesterday.
Rentaro snarked that she only impatiently threw him the suit and hurried away.
Kisara brushes him off and changes the subject, telling Rentaro that his ties crooked, and she will fix it.
This close contact excites Rentaro who comments to himself how beautiful Kisara is. To make it worse (or better) because of the angle Rentaro has a clear view of her chest.
Rentaro being the gentleman (read: pervert in denial) he is tries to tell her but Kisara doesn’t listen and comments on how tough it is to straighten a tie.
She then tries to tighten it chocking Rentaro in the process. She gives up and tells Rentaro:
“It’s no good. That kind of work isn’t suited for me. Satomi-san, your current face looks similar to the Tarot card, “the hanged man”. In particular that depressing face. Tie your own tie”.
After saying that she finally notices how awkward her own words are especially considering how Rentaro just passed a hard fight which nearly killed him and covered her mouth. She then moved her eyes towards Rentaro’s right wrist. She questioned if his new hand is still in development.
Rentaro responds that it’s almost finished.
She’s then reminded of Sumire’s words, when she visited her in which Sumire said, “Using a rocket punch to beat a stage 5 gastrea. He watched too much super robot shows didn’t he? Originally I thought he’s only insensitive. But now I realize that he’s a real idiot. A real insensitive idiot. Ahahaha So funny hahahaha.
“Why is it that even after I saved Tokyo, I’m still mocked by her”, Rentaro complained.
“How I’m I suppose to know”.
After glancing at her watch and realizing time is almost up Kisara instructed Rentaro, that basically this ceremony is taking Seitenshi’s precious time so everyone wants to get it finished as soon as possible. Just respond yes or no when questioned and it’ll be fine.
Rentaro confirmed that he understood Kisara’s instructions, he proceeded to go in.
As he went in he turned to look at Kisara who shot him a warm smile and said:
“This time, from the beginning to the end Satomi-san did an amazing work. Really incredible. From now on you also have to continue working hard. My noble knight.”
After hearing that Rentaro felt his own heart beginning to beat and just as he’s about to respond the door was shut.
Rentaro turned his head to look at the front. The room had a red carpet at the center with Seitenshi sitting at the front. There’s people filled in at all sides.
Rentaro is welcomed by Seitenshi and Rentaro finally had a chance to meet her face to face. He notes to himself that she’s a real beauty on TV but face to face like this highlights her beauty by a thousand fold. He also revealed that Seitenshi is actually from a noble family (which explains why she’s able to take leadership at such a young age) which is renowned for their beauty but Seitenshi is likely the best even among her family.
Seitenshi questions Rentaro on his injuries and he tells her he’s fine. She then questions Rentaro on how he feels on becoming the hero of Tokyo.
The narrative reveals that the public isn’t told about this incident besides the fact that a civil security guard shot it with a long range weapon.
Rentaro responds, “The people around me behave a little weird. Just looking at it makes me feel embarrassed”.
Seitenshi tells Rentaro that she thought that would be the case. She then recalls how chilling the incident is.
Rentaro thinks back to the incident. The stage 5 gastrea should’ve died immediately after being shot in the brain by a piece of varium going at 5% light speed but it somehow managed to muster the energy to turn to face Rentaro’s direction (freaking Rentaro out in the process) and then fall causing a mini tsunami.
Seitenshi confirmed Rentaro’s loyalty and then promoted Rentaro and Enju to IP rank 1000 by agreement with the IISO due to his achievements. Seitenshi further mischievously commented that an IP increase that big can make it to the Guinness world records.
She then asked Rentaro if he had something to say.
Logically speaking it would be best to answer “no” and get this finished with as soon as possible, in accordance with his agreement with Kisara.
But Rentaro had no intention of doing so in the first place.
He revealed that upon opening the box containing the supposed treasure, what he discovered was a broken down tricycle instead. Rentaro questioned why would something like this bring forth the gastrea and furthermore questioned how the gastrea’s existence came about in the first place.
What he revealed caused uproar in the hallway. Ignoring the commotion Seitenshi in a small voice that only Rentaro can hear told him:
“The Seven Star Heritage originally was hidden outside of Tokyo. Its purpose is to research a certain place. This time it’s been stolen. We could not predict what would happen if it got destroyed. The stage 5 gastrea came to retrieve. I can only tell you this much.”
(SN: This part is actually highly confusing for me. Not only is it hard to understand due to Seitenshi’s tendency to use advanced vocabulary but it raises more questions. Notice how Seitenshi didn’t actually answer Rentaro’s question? I can only infer that the Seven Star Heritage isn’t inside the box the whole time (or a least during the time Kagetone took it out of Tokyo) and Rentaro has been duped. Take note that I may be wrong so someone that understands this part better can correct me.)
Rentaro is disappointed at only this much revealed.
Noticing this, Seitenshi tells him that if he wishes to understand the truth he should reach the top ten IP rankings. That way he gets the highest level of clearance level 12 (IP ranking 1000 only has level 3 clearance). Once he gets there he’ll understand the truth about his existence. His purpose in the world as well as the truth about his parents (I need the romaji for his parents’ names).
After hearing about his parents Rentaro got irritated at Seitenshi and tried to force her to tell more.
However Seitenshi warned him that he’s being very disrespectful causing Rentaro to realize that everyone was coldly looking at him for treating Seitenshi so rudely.
Realizing that if he demands anymore he might jeopardize everything Rentaro left quickly.
He hurried towards the Tendo residence. Over there he’s greeted by a maid who recognizes him but he ignores her.
He went to the room he wanted to go to, used his gun to blow the doors hinges through.
He quickly looked inside for the file he wanted.
Suddenly his phone vibrated and an unknown number is displayed.
He answered it and a voice that sent shivers down Rentaro’s spine answered:
“Good to see you, Rentaro-san”.
It’s Kagetone.
Rentaro let out a long sign.
“So you didn’t die, Kagetone Hiruko”.
Rentaro recalled that after the fight, Kohina went to rescue Kagetone.
At that time Rentaro thought that it’s impossible for Kagetone to survive that kick.
“That’s right, it wasn’t easy though. Your attack was very effective. “They” want me to quietly recuperate for a period of time. It’s soooooooooooooooooooo boring.” (Don’t ask me who “they” are. I don’t know. Although it’s safe to assume that it’s an organization that Kagetone belongs to).
“By work do you mean killing people? I would like to suggest you to take this opportunity to redeem yourself”
“Nope. It’s field work. Soon we’ll meet again someplace, somewhere. Today, it’s just to give you a heads up. Next time we meet, I won’t lose.”
“I won’t lose to you either”.
Although in reality Rentaro’s just talking tough. He realized that that time the only reason he came out victorious is because of a preparation and strategy. Can he win again against a prepared Kagetone?
“Oh and another thing, I think I should introduce my client to you”.
Realizing something was off, Rentaro dropped the phone while taking out his pistol and turning around to point it at someone who pointed at Rentaro with a magnum
It’s Kikunojyo whose looking quite furious at Rentaro breaking into his room without permission.
Kikunojyo asks him why he’s here and Rentaro responds that he’s looking for evidence. But since he’s already here it’s easier to question the suspect himself. This time the traitor turned out to be the minister of defense. But Rentaro suspects that Kikunojyo is actually the traitor.
Kikunojyo isn’t surprised and asked Rentaro if Kisara set him to do this. Rentaro reveals that he’s doing it on his own.
Kikunojyo grunted and questioned Rentaro on why Rentaro would suspect him. In response Rentaro asked Kikunojyo if he’s not denying it. Kikunojyo says that even if he denied it Rentaro won’t believe him. Rentaro agreed with him although in his heart he hoped that Kikunojyo would deny it.
After that Rentaro revealed that the minister of defense was found hang in his home.
Kikunojyo doesn’t care, and replied so what.
Rentaro continued his reasoning, as it turned out Rentaro saw the evidence sheet that contained the list of traitors and all of them belonged in Kikunojyo’s faction or had once belonged in his faction. In fact as a kid Rentaro had actually met all of them once.
Kikunojyo congratulated Rentaro’s deduction and told him that he’s actually a smart kid. In hearing that Rentaro remembered him being praised as a child, “Rentaro will surely become a great politician someday”, and got angry enough to nearly pull the trigger. Rentaro angrily rebuked Kikunojyo:
“Every one of those guys was all good people. They all respected you deeply……….. How do you expect me to not believe that you as their boss would not participate in this plot? The ministry of defense also committed suicide to close the trail leading to you. Once he died, everyone that was arrested as a traitor used him as a scapegoat. I can’t control how you feel about this. But……… but to let them do this for your sake, and yet you still sit here putting on airs, don’t you feel ashamed, Kikunojyo Tendo?
However Kikunojyo still denied it saying what reason would he have to do this, after all that’s also supporting Tokyo’s destruction.
Rentaro continued his reasoning. He said that he himself had no idea why anyone would benefit from this but after thinking it through he revealed that it’s because of the new gastrea laws.
This caused Kikunojyo to twitch.
“It’s the new laws that against all odds Seitenshi plans to implant. In order to enhance the social status of the cursed children. However since 10 years ago, when gastrea killed your wife you’ve been a firm opposition to “initiators”. I don’t know what your deal with Kagetone is, nor do I want to. However, you who wanted to utterly destroy the gastrea, and Kagetone who believed in the natural superiority of the gastrea both have one interest, you both hope to rip the law to shreds. Anyways once it becomes known that one of the terrorists who plan to destroy Tokyo, Kohina, is one of the cursed children public opinion for the cursed children will never recover. Of course you don’t plan to destroy Tokyo. You dirty scumbag.”
Without warning a sudden kick knocked Rentaro down, Kikunojyo who got the upper hand furiously dared Rentaro to say it again.
“I’ll say it as many times as necessary. The events played out like this. You sent your men to get the “seven star heritage” a catalyst said to able to call a level 5 gastrea. Your men picked it up and simply needed to give it to Kagetone, and the plan would’ve proceeded smoothly. However on the way your man was attacked by a gastrea and due to over injection of fluids turned into a gastrea himself. But not before he went inside the safety of the [monolith]. He turned into the spider type absorbing the box in the process and proceeded to infect one person. Enju and I eventually took down the gastrea containing the box but ultimately Kagetone retrieved it from us. At this point you leaked news on Kohina being one of the terrorists but thanks to Seitenshi’s timely intervene you failed. Out of opinions you authorized the call of the stage 5 gastrea in order to force the news out. You knew that by doing so you’ll cause Tokyo’s mass extinction”.
“YES”.
Kikunojyo suddenly shouted as if he’s on fire.
“This is to awaken those peace loving bastards. Why can they forget? Why? 10 years ago, the sky fell, the earth cracked, mankind was about to be expelled from this world. Now those hunger insects that possess red eyes casually swagger around in the streets. The same people that possessed the genes of the red eyed demons that lead this world to destruction. And you want to give them human rights? Are you fucking with me?”
Rentaro seized the moment where Kikunojyo had lost his composure and used a leg sweep followed by a hit in the ribs to gain the upper hand.
“You’re right, your wife did die to them. But Kisara-san’s parents died. The doctor also lost her lover. But, they didn’t let their past compromise them and continued to live on. You’re just a vengeful spirit Kikunojyo Tendo. A vengeful spirit that forever drags hatred from ten years ago. You’re supposedly Seitenshi’s assistant yet you plot against her. Do you also hate her?”
“Don’t be silly. I admire her. Out of every one in her family only she deserves the position of ruler. She’s the one queen I wish to serve with all my loyalty”.
“Then why…… did you-”
“Because there are some things I can’t forgive”.
Rentaro pointed his pistol at him and looked in his eyes. He didn’t see any vanity in it. This man….. possessed both outstanding loyalty to Seitenshi and yet unending hatred towards the gastrea, the contradiction which ultimately drove him into insanity.
“Kisara-san certainly also knows the truth”.
“I also think so. But you guys don’t have proof, you can’t do anything to me”.
Rentaro stared into Kikunojyo’s eyes for a long time before moving aside the pistol and turning away.
“What are you planning? If you don’t kill me now, you’ll regret it”.
“I’m already regretting it, because you’re Kisara’s greatest enemy”.
“Then what do you think Rentaro?”
“What”?
Rentaro turned around to see Kikunojyo lift up a face exposing a miserable expression.
“What do you think Rentaro. Didn’t you lose your limbs and eye to them, didn’t you also lose your loved ones to them? Why are you able to forgive them? Don’t you hate them?
“Of course I hate them! Chopping them up into tiny pieces won’t satisfy my hatred. I once thought about using my own hands to kill them all, both gastrea and cursed children!”.
“But why did you-”
“Did you ever talk with them? Even one person is good. They’ll cry, laugh, and throw a tantrum over silly little things. Their full of warmth, human warmth. I Rentaro Satomi believe in them, I believe in Enju Aihara.”
“Rentaro…………. you.”
“You saved my life once, and said, “if you don’t want to die, live Rentaro Satomi”, I think that this sentence is very powerful. Whenever I close my eyes and give in to despair I think back to this sentence and somehow overcame my difficulty……… what happened 10 years ago, I never forgot…….. goodbye foster father”.
Rentaro left the mansion.
Tenho a leve impressão que faltou "um pouquinho" de coisa nesse epílogo do anime hein (nem precisava apresentar tudo, mas tem coisa relevante ai no meio que foi para o limbo )
(30/04/2014, 12:46)chriss Escreveu: só que tanto a energia necessária para isso, quanto a liberada no choque é suficiente para matar o inseto e meia cidade
Você é um caboco paciente
Não vou comentar sobre a parte física (afinal isso é com vocês), mas acho que o anime passou a impressão de que funcionaria com qualquer coisa composta de varanium.
(30/04/2014, 12:59)llNoNickll Escreveu: Não vou comentar sobre a parte física (afinal isso é com vocês), mas acho que o anime passou a impressão de que funcionaria com qualquer coisa composta de varanium.
Sobre?
Não estou criticando o Anime, estou criticando as pessoas usarem esse argumento levando em conta só um parte da realidade
Adaptação. Porque esse e Mahouka ficaram movimentados não se lembra? Teve a DR depois
não vou nem perder tempo defendendo...
já que vol. 7 foi um desastre...
no mais pessoalmente vol. 1 não merece mais eps de jeito nenhum...
os volumes interessantes mesmo vem depois... estão perdendo tempo demais nesse vol. 1.
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